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put out a statement yesterday that sounded very confident that once he feels like people review the pentagon inspector general ends up reviewing the e-mails, they'll find there's nothing egregrious there. that may end up being the case. you're seeing a defense secretary now sort of cast a wide net and send aid very clear message that if this kind of thing is going on among other flag officers, senior officers, that it needs to be fixed immediately. >> so i think, suzanne, one of the things so many people have been astounded at when the they hear about two four-star generals involved is the access that these women, jill kelley and paula broadwell seemed to have to them. have they had their wings clipped? >> well, this is such a fascinating discussion in so many different directions you can take on it. it was great reporting from kyra phillips that you just played a few minutes ago. there are still some really tough questions even for general petraeus. he didn't come public about this. he didn't come clean. he didn't start apologizing till after he was caught. i think we do have to offer a lit
put out a statement yesterday that sounded very confident that once he feels like people review the pentagon inspector general ends up reviewing the e-mails, they'll find there's nothing egregrious there. that may end up being the case. you're seeing a defense secretary now sort of cast a wide net and send aid very clear message that if this kind of thing is going on among other flag officers, senior officers, that it needs to be fixed immediately. >> so i think, suzanne, one of the...
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barbara starr is at the pentagon. you've been breaking this. tell us what you're learning tonight about david petraeus' testimony on benghazi. >> i've spoken to a source close to petraeus, directly familiar with petraeus' thinking on this matter. petraeus, we are told, wants to go to the hill, set the record straight and tell everything he knows. he will start by saying indeed that he knew almost immediately after that it was ansar al sharia, but there was also confusion. he had about 20 intelligence reports linking the attacks to that video, that anti-islamic video. those reports were disproven, but not until after he had briefed capitol hill. all of this took some time to sort out. that's what he wants to lay out tomorrow. >> and barbara, if he knew, and i know you're saying there were conflicting reports, which we have heard before, but if he knew and he's going to say he knew almost immediately it was the work of an al qaeda link ed militia, can he explain why susan right went on five talk shows and was very clear? >> the way it's going to
barbara starr is at the pentagon. you've been breaking this. tell us what you're learning tonight about david petraeus' testimony on benghazi. >> i've spoken to a source close to petraeus, directly familiar with petraeus' thinking on this matter. petraeus, we are told, wants to go to the hill, set the record straight and tell everything he knows. he will start by saying indeed that he knew almost immediately after that it was ansar al sharia, but there was also confusion. he had about 20...
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barbara starr joins us from the pentagon. not just petraeus but other cases that i guess have precipitated panetta's response. right? >> reporter: absolutely, fredericka. of course, general john allen, the commander in afghanistan under review, investigation for sending potentially inappropriate e-mails, two other four-stars just went through investigations for irregularities in the travel and expense accounts. a number of lesser if there's such a thing of generals and admirals also in recent months under investigation for variety of things, so panetta's issued an order saying that he wants the joint chiefs of staffs to look at ethic training for senior nil tear leaders. what are we talking about here? basically, you know, don't cheat on your wife. don't cheat on your taxes. don't go get too drunk in public. you know? and don't cheat on your expense account. you think it's the blinding flash of the obvious, wouldn't you? but we have talked to a number of officials say panetta is just very aware of the public perception right
barbara starr joins us from the pentagon. not just petraeus but other cases that i guess have precipitated panetta's response. right? >> reporter: absolutely, fredericka. of course, general john allen, the commander in afghanistan under review, investigation for sending potentially inappropriate e-mails, two other four-stars just went through investigations for irregularities in the travel and expense accounts. a number of lesser if there's such a thing of generals and admirals also in...
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pentagon correspondent barbara starr broke this story just a short time ago. barbara, what is the former cia director expected to say? >> well, kate and wolf. i have spoken to a source, a long-standing source of mine who is close to petraeus, someone who is not a junior aide. petraeus wants to go to the capitol hill and clear this up. that petraeus, as cia director, knew almost immediately, that's how the source characterizes it, that al qaeda sympathizer group in libya was behind the attack. but the confusion emerged very quickly, as well. because petraeus and the cia had about 20 different intelligence reports, we are told, that indicated it was due to that anti-islamic film back in cairo that had sparked the riots. so, what you have here are two questions on the table. who is responsible and what was their motivation? what we now understand is petraeus will tell the committee those 20 reports or so about the it being a spontaneous riot because people objected to the film. those reports were disproved over time. but not until after petraeus made that initial
pentagon correspondent barbara starr broke this story just a short time ago. barbara, what is the former cia director expected to say? >> well, kate and wolf. i have spoken to a source, a long-standing source of mine who is close to petraeus, someone who is not a junior aide. petraeus wants to go to the capitol hill and clear this up. that petraeus, as cia director, knew almost immediately, that's how the source characterizes it, that al qaeda sympathizer group in libya was behind the...
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here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified hearings bring together the government's top intelligence and law enforcement officials. what was clear was the president's comments on ambassador susan rice is really getting some traction. one republican alleging that, quote, the president misinformed and lied to the american people over the benghazi affair. what was also clear is that the president wants to promote ambassador susan rice. even though she said benghazi was a spontaneous attack when it seemed clear it was terrorism. >> president obama has the gal to float the name of secretary of state, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the person disash dasht american people during this crisis. >> that's a reference to ambassador rice's appearance less than a week after the benghazi attack. the republicans charge that the story was not that strays forward and rice
here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified hearings bring together the government's top intelligence and law enforcement officials. what was clear was the president's comments on ambassador susan rice is really getting some traction. one republican alleging that, quote, the president misinformed and lied to the american people over...
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up next, more than a week after the deadly attack, the pentagon finally gives this country of version of what happened on september 11th, timeline. details next. power still al for thousands of victims of hurricane sandy. tempers are growing short. indeed, they are understandably short. bell live report for you on the recovery efforts on one island. we are joined in just moments. the. ♪ lou: president obama today announcing he plans to visit victims of hurricane center in new york next week. this, as patience is wearing thin in the most hard-hit areas in new jersey and new york where more than half a million homes and businesses remain still without power. eleven days after the hurricane struck. fox news senior correspondent rick leventhal has our report. oceanside, new york. >> thirty years gone. just like that. >> reporter: trash trucks finally reached the town of oceanside on new york's long island for the first time since sandy 11 days ago. residents are still in the dark. >> no respon from anybody, sanitation. should he turned the electric off, but the electric on. no direction
up next, more than a week after the deadly attack, the pentagon finally gives this country of version of what happened on september 11th, timeline. details next. power still al for thousands of victims of hurricane sandy. tempers are growing short. indeed, they are understandably short. bell live report for you on the recovery efforts on one island. we are joined in just moments. the. ♪ lou: president obama today announcing he plans to visit victims of hurricane center in new york next week....
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it's not as though the pentagon didn't know about this for 50 minutes. reports have shown that the commander, general hamm, was at the pentagon that day, ordered an aerial drone -- unarmed, maybe they didn't have armed assets available -- but he's looking at any number of things. commanders, critical information requirements, friendly forces, priority intelligence requirements, different triggers in a command center that say, okay, now it's time the tell the commander something more about this. who in his case would be the chairman of the joint chiefs or the secretary of defense. i've got to believe an ambassador under siege fits one of those critical intelligence or information requirements that would mean a notification of the people that can make the call to send even more assets. africom doesn't have much at their disposal at that moment. it should have been done sooner. shannon: we know at some point a personal distress button was signaled from the mission there in benghazi. there were certainly signs that there was an immediate, pressing need. so w
it's not as though the pentagon didn't know about this for 50 minutes. reports have shown that the commander, general hamm, was at the pentagon that day, ordered an aerial drone -- unarmed, maybe they didn't have armed assets available -- but he's looking at any number of things. commanders, critical information requirements, friendly forces, priority intelligence requirements, different triggers in a command center that say, okay, now it's time the tell the commander something more about this....
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for the process in regards to general allen. >> reporter: the pentagon is investigating the communications with kelly, the woman who triggered the fine investigation that uncovered the affair between new former cia director david petraeus and paula broadwell. >> general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. >> reporter: the investigation centers around 20 to 30,000 pages of communications between allen and kelly, mostly e-mails between 2010-2012, and are said to be flirtacious in nature. allen denies having an affair. he took over the afghanistan post from petraeus after petraeus moved to head to cia. petraeus moved to step down last friday. >> i think he took the right step. >> reporter: the petraeus resignation left lawmakers on alert. they were planning to hear from him this week about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> it's absolutely imperative that general petraeus come and testify. he was the cia directorate the time of the attack, he visited libya after the attack. >> reporter: the september 11th attack killed u.s. ambassador chris dive stereoens and other
for the process in regards to general allen. >> reporter: the pentagon is investigating the communications with kelly, the woman who triggered the fine investigation that uncovered the affair between new former cia director david petraeus and paula broadwell. >> general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. >> reporter: the investigation centers around 20 to 30,000 pages of communications between allen and kelly, mostly e-mails between 2010-2012, and are said to be...
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. >> senator coburn says the pentagon needs to stop being what he calls department of everything. he says the savings wouldn't be huge. $6 billion a year but there was a time when it was real money. chris? >> chris: there was a time, wendell. thank you. reporting from the white house. stocks were down again today, the dow lost 28.5. the s&p 500 dropped 2. nasdaq fell 10. south africa president pushing back from comments from a lawmaker critical of lack of leadership in face of widespread worker strikes. president zuma called the claim totally out of order and said the leadership comes in many different forms. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot looks at the continued turmoil in south africa and what is behind it. >> there were violent protests in south africa this week. striking farm workers clash with police, which left one person dead and several injured. >> this came after months of trouble between striking miners. 34 protesters were killed by police at a mine in august. it's the worth violence sense the end of apartheid in south africa 18 years ago. experts say th
. >> senator coburn says the pentagon needs to stop being what he calls department of everything. he says the savings wouldn't be huge. $6 billion a year but there was a time when it was real money. chris? >> chris: there was a time, wendell. thank you. reporting from the white house. stocks were down again today, the dow lost 28.5. the s&p 500 dropped 2. nasdaq fell 10. south africa president pushing back from comments from a lawmaker critical of lack of leadership in face of...
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first to jennifer griffin live tonight at the pentagon. jennifer, it feels like there is a puzzle box laid out on a table and half the pieces are missing. >> it brings new meaning to collateral damage, shep. yesterday we thought we were dealing with the fall from grace of one four star jandi one sexual affair. today the woman who started the events jill kelley was found to be in appropriate relationship with the top u.s. commander in afghanistan general john allen. defense officials who are familiar with the hundreds of emails, 30,000 pages worth say that the general and kelley were having the, quote, email equivalent of phone sex. meanwhile petraeus' biographer paula broadwell has hired a lawyer. her father tells the new york daily news this is about something else entirely. the truth ain't come out. you wait and see, there is a lot more here than meets the eye. >> shepard: the email equivalent of phone sex. that is new here tonight. today we learned both of these generals, petraeus and allen, were involved in a custody dispute directly r
first to jennifer griffin live tonight at the pentagon. jennifer, it feels like there is a puzzle box laid out on a table and half the pieces are missing. >> it brings new meaning to collateral damage, shep. yesterday we thought we were dealing with the fall from grace of one four star jandi one sexual affair. today the woman who started the events jill kelley was found to be in appropriate relationship with the top u.s. commander in afghanistan general john allen. defense officials who...
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jennifer griffin and her team at the pentagon. thank you very much. jenna: breaking news as it happens. joining us now, john barrasso. he will attend a committee meeting about the pentagon attack later this afternoon. nice to have you back on the program. >> reporter: thank you, jenna. jenna: what should you know later this afternoon that you don't already know now? >> reporter: this has been called in a bipartisan way so republicans and democrats working together. we're going to get briefed today by the fbi, the cia, the department of defense, as well as the department of state. i think that this is something that could have been prevented, the murder, the death, the ter terrorist attack that affected four american heros. we are starting at the beginning as to how is it that these folks on the ground asked for additional help in march, in april there was an attack, in june there was an attack. in july they asked for additional help, again denied and their whole security team got pulled out in august, and then come 9/11, and this assault occurs, a ter
jennifer griffin and her team at the pentagon. thank you very much. jenna: breaking news as it happens. joining us now, john barrasso. he will attend a committee meeting about the pentagon attack later this afternoon. nice to have you back on the program. >> reporter: thank you, jenna. jenna: what should you know later this afternoon that you don't already know now? >> reporter: this has been called in a bipartisan way so republicans and democrats working together. we're going to...
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the pentagon now investigating general john allen. you know who he is? the top commander in afghanistan, for allegedly exchanging thousands of possibly inappropriate e-mails with, this woman, jill kelly, tampa, florida. she is a close friend of the petraeus family who sparked initial investigation into the cia director. that is what we've been told so far. follow the bouncing ball. it is a tuesday. martha: try if you can, right? good morning i'm martha maccallum. you will need a flow chart to follow this story as it develops because the cast of characters in this growing saga. the pentagon we're told is sorting through 20 to 30,000 pages of e-mails between this woman and general allen. she got, the fbi involved in the whole thing because she said that she was receive ofing harassing e-mails from this women, petraeus's biographer and ex-mistress, paula broadwell. bill: got all that? martha: i think so, you need a pen. catherine herridge is live in d.c.. tell us where we are today on the investigation. where is it. >> reporter: thank you, bill and good mor
the pentagon now investigating general john allen. you know who he is? the top commander in afghanistan, for allegedly exchanging thousands of possibly inappropriate e-mails with, this woman, jill kelly, tampa, florida. she is a close friend of the petraeus family who sparked initial investigation into the cia director. that is what we've been told so far. follow the bouncing ball. it is a tuesday. martha: try if you can, right? good morning i'm martha maccallum. you will need a flow chart to...
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they say they want to change the money for the pentagon. mitch mcconnell said we are not raising taxes to ransom the pentagon budget cuts and interestingly, the focus on the pentagon they are a lot more concerned about the 50 billion in domestic discretionary spending restraints every year than the defense budget and you did see the republican study committee the conservative caucus within the republican house which is a majority of house members may be 60% announced the only thing worse than sequestration is not having savings so this stampede that was attempted as to people trying to start the hamdi beak a stampede you didn't get a demand that the defense budget would be untouched either on the public opinion or in the house something the sequestration happens. the only thing i can imagine is that they would vote rather take it out of entitlement than out of the annual budgets. could they cut a deal with a save the same amount of money but out of entitlements? that is the only compromise that i could see and then you get the grand bargain
they say they want to change the money for the pentagon. mitch mcconnell said we are not raising taxes to ransom the pentagon budget cuts and interestingly, the focus on the pentagon they are a lot more concerned about the 50 billion in domestic discretionary spending restraints every year than the defense budget and you did see the republican study committee the conservative caucus within the republican house which is a majority of house members may be 60% announced the only thing worse than...
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. >> holman: that investigation also has led to a pentagon probe of the top u.s. commander in afghanistan-- marine general john allen. he's under scrutiny for extensive communications with a tampa, florida woman. allen has denied wrongdoing. defense secretary leon panetta said today no other senior military officials appear to be involved. he spoke during a trip to thailand. >> i'm not aware of any others that could be involved in this issue at the present time. obviously as this matter continues to be investigated both on capitol hill and by the inspector general, i'm sure we'll have to wait and see what additional factors are brought to our attention. >> holman: panetta now has ordered an ethics review for military officers. he said he's asked the joint chiefs of staff to re-examine the training of senior commanders, to avoid similar incidents in the future. the 17-member nations of the eurozone have fallen back into recession for the first time in three years. from july to september the eurozone's economy contracted by a tenth of a percent. that was the second
. >> holman: that investigation also has led to a pentagon probe of the top u.s. commander in afghanistan-- marine general john allen. he's under scrutiny for extensive communications with a tampa, florida woman. allen has denied wrongdoing. defense secretary leon panetta said today no other senior military officials appear to be involved. he spoke during a trip to thailand. >> i'm not aware of any others that could be involved in this issue at the present time. obviously as this...
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he's under investigation by the pentagon. >> can i tell you that the president thinks very highly of general allen and his service to his country. as well as the job he has done in afghanistan. at the request of the secretary of defense, the president has put on hold general allen's notion as supreme allied commander europe, pending the investigation of his conduct by the department of defense i.d. the president remains focused on fully supporting our extraordinary troops and coalition partners in afghanistan who general allen continues to lead as he has done so ably for over a year. meanwhile, the president has nominated general dunford to be the next commander and reiterates his belief that the senate should act swiftly to confirm him, his hearings are this week. >> is it ack to a -- accurate to say the president has full faith in general allen? >> he believes he's doing and done an excellent job at isaf and i refer you to the pentagon with the process under way. >> to take a step back, it's been only a week since it came out, we have seen the c.i.a. director resign under pressure
he's under investigation by the pentagon. >> can i tell you that the president thinks very highly of general allen and his service to his country. as well as the job he has done in afghanistan. at the request of the secretary of defense, the president has put on hold general allen's notion as supreme allied commander europe, pending the investigation of his conduct by the department of defense i.d. the president remains focused on fully supporting our extraordinary troops and coalition...
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the pentagon. i think we need to -- >> i'm specifically talking about things like medicare, social security, medicaid. the kind of programs that people generally don't like to touch. >> no. we should not touch that. >> not at all? >> first of all, for medicaid, medicare and social security, these are programs that people have worked for. these are programs also that address those who are low income and who are poor. i don't believe that low income individuals and the most vulnerable in our seniors should be part of a deal. first of all, they're just living on the edge as we speak anyway. and so why should they have to bear the brunt of the cuts when we're talking about finding revenue to be able to really balance the budget, create a path toward deficit reduction? really reignite the american dream for everyone. i don't believe entitlement cuts that would affect the poor and seniors and low income individuals should really be on -- on the table. >> all right. representative barbara lee, that's a pr
the pentagon. i think we need to -- >> i'm specifically talking about things like medicare, social security, medicaid. the kind of programs that people generally don't like to touch. >> no. we should not touch that. >> not at all? >> first of all, for medicaid, medicare and social security, these are programs that people have worked for. these are programs also that address those who are low income and who are poor. i don't believe that low income individuals and the...
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the state department, the pentagon and the cia and the question who is responsible for what happened that night in libya for preventing and failing to prevent what happened. and the report is that general petraeus wanted to get out there aggressively in defense of the cia and ultimately did by release that time line and the intel officials were not too happy with petraeus and the suggestion is suddenly when they became unhappy about what he started to do on libya to defend the cia, suddenly his affair was a deal breaker. suddenly that went up to the upper etch lons and clapper told him he needed to resign and petraeus wanted to keep his job but did what his boss told him to do which was resign. does that make sense to you? is that feasible? >> you are not the on person saying it. megyn: i'm not saying it at all. the "wall street journal" is saying it. >> charles krauthammer made a similar statement. maybe the thing that was being held as the sword of damocles was the preknowledge of this. i don't know. that's all speculation. here is the point i was trying to make before the break. t
the state department, the pentagon and the cia and the question who is responsible for what happened that night in libya for preventing and failing to prevent what happened. and the report is that general petraeus wanted to get out there aggressively in defense of the cia and ultimately did by release that time line and the intel officials were not too happy with petraeus and the suggestion is suddenly when they became unhappy about what he started to do on libya to defend the cia, suddenly his...
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jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. when exactly will petraeus meet with the lawmakers and do we know where? >> it's a good question. first of all, as you mentioned, they are going to be having house and senate intel committee hearings today. mike morell, the acting director of the c.i.a., will be speaking to lawmakers during those hearings. david petraeus will not be attending those hearings today. we understand that he will be on capitol hill tomorrow before the house select intelligence committee. that's mike rogers, congressman mike rogers' committee, at 7:30 tomorrow morning. on friday, david petraeus is scheduled to appear before that committee. we understand he will not be addressing the f.b.i. investigation that led to his affair, but that he will be talking about benghazi exclusively and what happened there. meanwhile, the f.b.i. is still investigating how paula broadwell, his mistress, ended up with so many classified documents at her home in north carolina. agents, f.b.i. agents returned to her home on monday
jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. when exactly will petraeus meet with the lawmakers and do we know where? >> it's a good question. first of all, as you mentioned, they are going to be having house and senate intel committee hearings today. mike morell, the acting director of the c.i.a., will be speaking to lawmakers during those hearings. david petraeus will not be attending those hearings today. we understand that he will be on capitol hill tomorrow before the house select...
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leon panetta has ordered the pentagon to look into why. why so many generals and admirals have become embroiled in legal and ethical problems, a trend exacerbated by recent the stations of the military best- known commanders. what is he looking for? guest: i am glad to see he put up the statement. he used military professionalism. i hope the study extends not just to personal behavior, but professional execution of duty. we seem to be focusing much more on personal behavior. and i would say private behavior. as far as i can tell, and more information may come out, the petraeus situation, no criminal charges are likely to come out. i hope that they look at professional, what people do in their offices, as well as with the do in the bedrooms. i think the real scandal in iraq is not what the general did, but that we have put up with years of mediocre general. a real scandal in afghanistan is not john allen flirting with the woman. news flash. u.s. marine first with poland. the real scandal is we have had the levin commanding generals and 11 y
leon panetta has ordered the pentagon to look into why. why so many generals and admirals have become embroiled in legal and ethical problems, a trend exacerbated by recent the stations of the military best- known commanders. what is he looking for? guest: i am glad to see he put up the statement. he used military professionalism. i hope the study extends not just to personal behavior, but professional execution of duty. we seem to be focusing much more on personal behavior. and i would say...
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the pentagon came forward and said it will require x% of reductions across the board. the president said we will go about this by saying, what are the key strategic challenges we have? we need to set up to do as well. we had a number of discussions of the president led -- he came back with among the top priorities, the rebalancing of asia. insuring that the defense budget and the allocation of our at -- the allocation of our assets supported that. we're going to continue to allocate resources to maintain a strong and flexible regional presence. adding both additional presence and capabilities. we will continue to build up guam, establish a marine air, ground task forces. rotate for combat ships. investing capabilities appropriate for aggression and reassuring allies and partners. there is a full discussion of this -- i draw your attention to it. for those of you who are interested, i really would recommend that space to you. but 2020 we will position 60% of our fleet and the pacific. we will develop maritime security. as i have outlined today, our rebalancing is define
the pentagon came forward and said it will require x% of reductions across the board. the president said we will go about this by saying, what are the key strategic challenges we have? we need to set up to do as well. we had a number of discussions of the president led -- he came back with among the top priorities, the rebalancing of asia. insuring that the defense budget and the allocation of our at -- the allocation of our assets supported that. we're going to continue to allocate resources...
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national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with more on this, including a fox news exclusive. >> or well, we've been looking at a speech that paula broadwell gave on october 26th in denver, colorado, and in that speech she raises some serious questions that some are wondering whether she may have revealed details that she knew about the benghazi investigations, details that broadwell may have, in fact, obtained from her relationship with cia director david petraeus. at this speech at her alma mater in denver on october 26th, the same day as fox news reported by the way that requests from the ci ark annex were -- cia annex were denied, she said this: >> the cia annex had actually, had taken a couple of libyan militia members prisoners, and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get the prisoners back, so that's still being vetted. >> reporter: being vetted by whom, the cia? that wasn't in any of the official cia timelines. the implication is that the attack on the u.s. consulate was, n. a strike against the cia operation which
national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with more on this, including a fox news exclusive. >> or well, we've been looking at a speech that paula broadwell gave on october 26th in denver, colorado, and in that speech she raises some serious questions that some are wondering whether she may have revealed details that she knew about the benghazi investigations, details that broadwell may have, in fact, obtained from her relationship with cia director david...
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know, if we really are in a belt-tightening mode, it's important to keep in mind it's not just the pentagon that has not done things very cost effectively. i'm a big fan of the recent health care reform, but it was, you know, one of its strong points was not cost containment. and in addition, the cost containment measures that were there were not viewed as credible. and so that was a political decision, and partly it was a function of how it was done. and, you know, again i'm being cynical. i say the republicans, it's not so much that -- you know, republicans are not a monolith although they're closer than democrats, but some republicans genuinely don't want to increase taxes on the middle class and don't want a double dip recession. but the way that the party, the revealed preferences of the party in recent years has been they're much more concerned about the wealthy, you know, tan they are about these things -- than they are about these things. the democrats, so we are told now, i mean, it's a bargaining position. you know, the president has gone all out saying one thing they really want
know, if we really are in a belt-tightening mode, it's important to keep in mind it's not just the pentagon that has not done things very cost effectively. i'm a big fan of the recent health care reform, but it was, you know, one of its strong points was not cost containment. and in addition, the cost containment measures that were there were not viewed as credible. and so that was a political decision, and partly it was a function of how it was done. and, you know, again i'm being cynical. i...